DIALOGUE

SHE SAYS:
RRRRRRRR.

HE SAYS:
Well I'm sorry you feel that way.
I don't get angry in my mouth.
Or, should I say,
when I get something in my mouth
I swallow it.
There are no teeth in my mouth.
There are
no grinding portions there.
There are
stones below that in the gizzard.
And that's where all the dirt goes.
And in fact it's a good thing
if it's hard as a stone and keeps
it rattling around in there.
'cause,
it'll grind up everything else
and then I can just hork up the stones later!
And they are beautiful and polished.
I know how the oyster feels.

SHE SAYS:
Well that's very nice for you
but
you can't like having these things in your mouth can you?
The issue I have
is one of resentment.
That what I swallow includes all these stones
that get in the way
the
breadth of the stone
the smell of the air
I'm always getting broken teeth, that
I spit out the stone and the teeth
I have strong teeth but
A strong tooth can only take so many stones.
And I don't like the feeling of horking them up as you say.
The things which you take in,
isn't that rubbing off on your body?
Aren't you taking in heavy metals?
And now your eggshells will be brittle,
your children all sickly.
You are going to die.

HE SAYS:
Well I don't think that's happening.
They got rid of DDT.
It's not the best that it's ever been but it's not the worst either.
There's less lead in the air now than there used to be,
though it's still pretty bad in the city.

SHE SAYS:
We're talking about a different thing.

HE SAYS:
Oh right.
Fair point about the words then.
But I don't know.
I feel fine.

SHE SAYS:
Do you?

HE SAYS:
Not really but I've never met anyone better.
I think we're all trapped in samsara,
or whatever you might wanna call it.
I don't know what I'm
saying when I'm using -that- word.
But I think it's a nice word.
It is one of the three precious jewels.
that I was telling you about.
I think there's more than three.
I think once again I am saying the wrong thing but
It doesn't matter
or if it does
noone will hear it anyway.
I don't speak to be heard I speak to not be heard.
Not be heard by you, that
if I were listening
or if I were saying something to you
then I would expect you to be listening but I don't expect that!
I don't expect you to be listening
you can sort of tune in occasionally
I do it for the fun of it
and I do it to communicate
with people that I know really well
and who can hear me
and who know what I'm saying.
If you don't know what I'm saying
that's fine it doesn't really matter anyway.
If you do know what I'm saying great
do you wanna listen?
Oh you say something as well that's great.
I don't really care what it is in fact
I don't want to even know what it is beforehand.
Because if I know what it is beforehand
I probably know what you're going to say
and that's pretty boring.

The novelty as they say comes from
not knowing what the subject is going to be about.
Because if I know what the subject is going to be about in advance
then I already know what it is. Or if
somebody sometimes gives a really good phrase
and you're like oh I didn't know what that was and now I do
or you think you do
but I think there are a lot of poor-quality presentations
made by fifth-graders
who are trying to research the rocks
because there's lots of money in the rocks.
and when we know which rock is like
that one or that one
then
you can make some money off of it.

So I think even if you do the job badly,
but you're interested in the subject,
you can make a lot of money.
Because you know which gems are the opals
and which gems are the rubies.
You know that rubies have to be red
and that opals aren't like that
and in fact contain every colour.
And that distinction gets you two thousand dollars.
Two thousand dollars worth of rubies
or opals.

SHE SAYS:
Mm.

HE SAYS:
Well I don't really know how to convince you.

SHE SAYS:
Well what makes you think I want to convince me?
I would rather lay down here
in the mud
and not talk to you and not get up.
There is no reason to
get up, as they say,
get up out of bed
no I'm not doing it
I'm not getting out of bed
I'm not getting out of the mud
The fish will come to me
I do not need to move from the mud
or if I do I will move in one dramatic motion
when I see a fish come by
and I will take and eat the fish but
beyond that, and I think you can relate to the fish
(not in the fish itself but in wanting to eat the fish)

HE SAYS:
Yeah?

SHE SAYS:
We gotta wait for that fish to come by
We can't just go out and eat it
We can't just go out and find it
It may not be there
Maybe there are no fish in the world anymore.
Maybe they have all been taken from the oceans
and taken to markets elsewhere.
But for the meantime there is sometimes fish
and when you see one you know it's probably a fish.
You don't know that for sure.
A fish is not well defined.
If it swims in the ocean it's a fish
that's good enough for me.
Doesn't that mean some fish are very large?
Yes, and I don't eat those ones.
There's really no reason
to worry about classification.
We could just take things as they are
We could say oh look at that and you would see it.
We don't need words for things at all.
You can just say look at that
And then you look at that for a while
And then you see what it is
And that's good enough
And any name on top of that would just be excessive.
That if you wanted to refer to it you should go and see it
Go visit!
Do it this weekend!
Go and see the moss that lives on the boulders
high in the Hollywood Hills.
You know,
I don't think it was even Hollywood
I think they just called them that.
It was like an import from America
He tried to make the Hollywood Hills down in Sorrento
and he failed
and now there's moss there.
You can go there anytime you like
and look at it.
It's free for you to view.
And I think they should continue to make it free
and that's really what's important,
looking at what's on the rocks.
What was there a million years ago? I don't know.
I think it was some gravy or a kind of mud.
And that's where I am now, in the mud.
This mud was here a million years ago.
Can you feel the history of the mud?
If you could feel the history of the mud
you'd know why the mud is not worth talking about.
That in order to understand the mud
you have to sit in the mud
and you have to stick your hand in it.
And once you do that
you will understand that to say
the sensation is not possible.
That if you stick your hand in the mud
then the sensation cannot be named
because nobody is having the same sensation as you!
Because you stuck your hand in the mud
and that portion of mud may be quite warm or quite cold
depending on where you got the mud from!
I've seen some very hot mud.
They heated it up, they superheated it.
It's too hot to hold.
You wouldn't think there could be nature
that could endanger you like that.
But yes, they exist.
And it's very strange.
Anyway, the mud.
I think I've talked of mine.
That I don't think we can identify
ourselves to ourselves or ourselves to others.
That all we have is the moment of the sensation.
And that's why I'm staying in the mud.
Because that moment can be prolonged.
And if you prolong that moment until you die
then you'll have definitely experienced it.
Maybe that's the only moment worth experiencing,
being in the mud.
I think there are probably other moments.
People have tried to convince me.
I think so! I agree!
But I'm still not getting up.

HE SAYS:
So you're saying you'll be in the mud forever?

SHE SAYS:
Yes.
I wish to be down here.
I think it's comfortable.
I've tried being in the sunlight and picking at things.
But it didn't work.

HE SAYS:

Well you could still come -into- the sunlight.

SHE SAYS:
No I've made up my mind.

HE SAYS:
Alright.
But what if I want to come visit you?
Do I have to come down here every time?

SHE SAYS:
Yes, probably.
Maybe you could write?